Comments on: Principled Bipartisanship Vs. Cynical Bipartisanship Part I http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/ America IS NUMBER ONE!!! (but not for the reasons wingnuts think it is) Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:10:45 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: G Rex http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-962 G Rex Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:34:29 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-962 ...and Jay, we're still in Germany but the Russians aren't. …and Jay, we’re still in Germany but the Russians aren’t.

]]> By: G Rex http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-961 G Rex Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:32:18 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-961 On the other hand, the Mullahs in Iran have issued a fatwa that life begins at exactly 140 days after conception, which allows Iranian researchers to work on embryonic stem cell research without fear of going to hell. Boy howdy, wouldn't life be simple if we had Mullahs to tell us what to do? Too bad we here in a free society are burdened by debating moral issues amongst ourselves. On the other hand, the Mullahs in Iran have issued a fatwa that life begins at exactly 140 days after conception, which allows Iranian researchers to work on embryonic stem cell research without fear of going to hell.

Boy howdy, wouldn’t life be simple if we had Mullahs to tell us what to do? Too bad we here in a free society are burdened by debating moral issues amongst ourselves.

]]> By: karmicjay http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-946 karmicjay Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:51:12 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-946 Word! And good take down of the "How long did we stay in Germany" fella. Word! And good take down of the “How long did we stay in Germany” fella.

]]> By: kavips http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-945 kavips Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:22:01 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-945 In all seriousness, something was missing on the analogy above, discussing at what point, life begins. I believe it started with: Conservative: Life begins at conception. Liberal: No, life begins at birth. But missing was the pragmatist version, which is: No, you are both wrong! Life begins....... when the kids grow up and move out of the house......... In all seriousness, something was missing on the analogy above, discussing at what point, life begins.

I believe it started with:

Conservative: Life begins at conception.

Liberal: No, life begins at birth.

But missing was the pragmatist version, which is:

No, you are both wrong! Life begins……. when the kids grow up and move out of the house………

]]> By: kavips http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-944 kavips Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:10:24 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-944 Responding to the first and second post. According to Newt Gingrich, the Marshall plan cost us a steep 3% of our GNP. Those who fought WWII understood the price of peace. Since then the investment has paid off over 100 times its value. I did not have time to find out the humanitarian cost in dollars invested in Iraq. I'm asking Tommywonk for help here. Yet our current GNP is so huge, that if we followed through with a 3% "Msrshal Plan", as did our ancestors, we would have had no problem pulling our troops out of Iraq on time. This is the lost post-9/11 opportunity. This is a large part of why Iraq is falling apart today. Instead we gave 1 trillion to the top one percent of our wealthiest citizens. Whoopee. Responding to the first and second post.

According to Newt Gingrich, the Marshall plan cost us a steep 3% of our GNP. Those who fought WWII understood the price of peace.

Since then the investment has paid off over 100 times its value.

I did not have time to find out the humanitarian cost in dollars invested in Iraq. I’m asking Tommywonk for help here.

Yet our current GNP is so huge, that if we followed through with a 3% “Msrshal Plan”, as did our ancestors, we would have had no problem pulling our troops out of Iraq on time. This is the lost post-9/11 opportunity. This is a large part of why Iraq is falling apart today.

Instead we gave 1 trillion to the top one percent of our wealthiest citizens. Whoopee.

]]> By: Anonymous http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-943 Anonymous Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:25:27 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-943 <i>The habit of constantly trying to accommodated two “extreme” views leads to the “averaging fallacy”.</i> Maybe by putting the word extreme in quotes you were alluding to the fact that an over reliance of the fallacy also forces the "centrist" into regarding ever other position as "extreme"? Obviously there is nothing extreme about quickly ending this botched experiment in nation building, but the traditional media and bipartisan hucksters continue to spin it as such. The habit of constantly trying to accommodated two “extreme” views leads to the “averaging fallacy”.

Maybe by putting the word extreme in quotes you were alluding to the fact that an over reliance of the fallacy also forces the “centrist” into regarding ever other position as “extreme”?

Obviously there is nothing extreme about quickly ending this botched experiment in nation building, but the traditional media and bipartisan hucksters continue to spin it as such.

]]> By: Rebecca http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-942 Rebecca Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:22:14 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-942 For bipartisanship to work there have to be some agreed upon facts. People have to face reality. Without reality there is no common ground for concensus. As long as the Republicans insist on living in la-la-spin-land it's going to be hard to reach any bipartisan agreement that makes sense for the nation. For bipartisanship to work there have to be some agreed upon facts. People have to face reality. Without reality there is no common ground for concensus. As long as the Republicans insist on living in la-la-spin-land it’s going to be hard to reach any bipartisan agreement that makes sense for the nation.

]]> By: delawareliberal http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-941 delawareliberal Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:18:00 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-941 Correction. <i><b>Four</b> Marines killed in a copter crash in Iraq, and 50 bodies of murdered Iraqis found in Baghdad overnight.</i> I know you'd rather live in a fantasy world where Germany is like Iraq and Iraq is notlike Vietnam - but the truth is the truth. That was the point of the post. Correction.

Four Marines killed in a copter crash in Iraq, and 50 bodies of murdered Iraqis found in Baghdad overnight.

I know you’d rather live in a fantasy world where Germany is like Iraq and Iraq is notlike Vietnam – but the truth is the truth. That was the point of the post.

]]> By: delawareliberal http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-940 delawareliberal Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:01:56 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-940 Please. I'd laugh, but another three guys died today. We had a plan for Germany. We raised taxes to pay for it. We sacrificed. Where is the plan for Iraq? Where is the call to sacrifice? What have you done for the war effort Duf? What have I done? What has Michael Castle done? Anyone...? Anyone...? Bullshit on this bogus war. US out now! Please. I’d laugh, but another three guys died today.

We had a plan for Germany. We raised taxes to pay for it. We sacrificed. Where is the plan for Iraq? Where is the call to sacrifice? What have you done for the war effort Duf?

What have I done? What has Michael Castle done?

Anyone…?

Anyone…?

Bullshit on this bogus war. US out now!

]]> By: Duffy http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-939 Duffy Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:40:24 +0000 http://delawareliberal.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/principled-bipartisanship-vs-cynical-bipartisanship-part-i/#comment-939 When did we leave Germany after WWII? When did we leave Germany after WWII?

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